tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post4025448860752036382..comments2023-08-15T10:11:27.579+01:00Comments on Düsseldorf Hbf.: Clock DVA - still losing itTexas Instrumentshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16033692530882630506noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-61848505575861742482016-04-28T06:47:05.108+01:002016-04-28T06:47:05.108+01:00To Anon, 2 comments up .
Having been in a very cl...To Anon, 2 comments up .<br /> Having been in a very close relationship with Robert for the past two years I consider myself to know him better than anyone.<br />I came across this post whilst googling robs name and was quite put back at some of the negativity here, ( esp the comment 2 above.) and I didn't relate to any of it as the rob I know.<br /> So,based on this, I would like to clarify and put my personal views on your bitterly skewed observations.I say bitter because they bear no relation to the man I know and deeply love nor are they related to matters being discussed in this thread. They appear to be no more than shady, underhand personal attacks with no citation or points of reference. A jilted ex perhaps? Someone who is so bitter they would steal Roberts phone, smash it up and send ( once again, anonymously) pictures of it smashed to robs place of work with a note calling him " a diseased old has been". Whilst I can confirm that he is getting on and has been quite ill from a chronic illness, don't you have to have been something to become a has been..<br />If only the same creativity was exercised in other areas of your life? <br /><br />The only "waste of space" here is the one in your mind which holds such deep resentment, I hope your venting here has helped relieve some of that deep seated pain and poison.<br />Over the years Robert has had many "delusions of grandeur" , some he is glad fell flat on "its" ass, others he is still perusing.After all, what's life if we don't have dreams? Something lacking these days.<br /><br /> Having shared virtually every moment with him for the past years I can safely say that Robert really doesn't have to,or have any desire to "try" for anything, Be it creatively,personal relationships or friends. He always reminds me that forcing anything is pointless, that's why being around him is always easy and always fun. If you really knew him then you would know he doesn't take himself seriously as you imply ( maybe that's why in your narrow vision you see him as failing.) he always says that there is no such thing as " getting it right" ,in all areas of life and is suspicious of people who claim " ambitions", career artists.<br />How dull and frustrating it must be for.someone who seeks perfection and feels shame in not "getting it right". I doubt there would be any artists at all if the initial premise was "getting it right", no room for error or the gifts that chance bestows. I have seen Robert at work alone and with other artists enough times to see how important this concept is. If he sees himself as anything at all it is as an "algorithmic engineer for chance events", the art of error. Which he practices both privately and publicly to date.<br />He certainly knows how to put the "IF" in both life and "live" �� despite suffering from a chronic health condition.<br />if you truly knew him you would know he has never made a secret of his heroin use, nor how good it is at taking away pain,back in the day all his friends were experimenting with all kinds of chemicals and his only regret on that is that he lost people he loved to them.<br /><br />With regards to Clockdva/Tagc I have only heard rob remember those days with fondness and a sense of pride. I know there has been some really negative things crop up from what he says was down to "misunderstandings/misinformation, nasty trolling and inaccurate assumptions."<br />Despite this, as with most things in his life, he holds no bitterness, has no regrets and nothing to hide.Failure, like so many things in life is subjective so best get on with it , clinging to the past is pointless.tick tock.<br /><br />Robert has only ever been a positive influence in my life, he is caring, sharing, funny and a bloody good friend to have.<br /><br />In fact, I actually just showed him your comments, he smiled and said " They're right though aren't they.?". That's the Robert I know and love.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01814887792437486152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-52283675985933806632016-04-28T05:03:41.891+01:002016-04-28T05:03:41.891+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01814887792437486152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-79791309396659711732015-09-26T22:24:32.346+01:002015-09-26T22:24:32.346+01:00I came across this article, and though i realize i...I came across this article, and though i realize it is now about 6 years after, I would just like to say that I too also received the same message during the myspace days. I followed numerous musical artists I liked and since I had both p. browse and d. dennis on my friends list, i received a combative message from the Clock DVA myspace page about how I was being defriended for having any communication with them. The immaturity and ridiculousness of the situation blew my mind at the time, but it then continued later on. Just last year, 2014, I was a member of a DVA fan group on facebook where, for a time, Dennis, Browse, and others connected with the Sheffield scene began sharing old photos and reminiscing about the times in a very pleasant, nice, and happy manner. It was great to see unfold. Then, suddenly, all these people were banned from the group and the group then simply shut down completely. It was eventually learned that newton (or someone associated with him) had been sending threatening messages to the group admin to basically ban everyone he wanted banned (even though it wasnt his group) or just shut down the group altogether. that people would behave the way newton and his followers/cohorts do in this day and age *at* their age is amazing. sad beyond words.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-4147625930171438522014-11-21T01:49:08.897+00:002014-11-21T01:49:08.897+00:00Robert E Baker is truly a waste of space, he procl...Robert E Baker is truly a waste of space, he proclaims a lot of things that just aren't true, he has always had many delusions of grandeur which sadly fell flat on its ass, he is never the less one of lives tryers, trouble is... he never gets it right.... must be the heroin that he adores...!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-9608228086895478962014-06-20T22:42:26.534+01:002014-06-20T22:42:26.534+01:00I only know the Newtons through various meetings b... I only know the Newtons through various meetings but I have to add that Adi and especially Jane are being very misrepresented on here.They are I know still very close even after Jane left and her contributions were valid on many levels,the mind is a silent worker and not always about being "on stage" she never from what I saw and know "followed" Adi Newton ideas or concepts on the contrary.The "trouble causing" was there long before she came on the scene,to try and blame her is passing-the-buck for others to hide behind and not take responsibility. This is a nasty blog section to create.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-59414959196806854162012-07-15T17:29:20.101+01:002012-07-15T17:29:20.101+01:00So the moral of this story is........................So the moral of this story is......................dont let anyone take over your public voice and ruin what you and others took years to build, for they could be a malevolent force sent to seduce you into giving them undeserved exposure (what exactly did Mrs.Newton contribute apart from a lot of unnecessary trouble?). Also dont go signing things in your own name when claiming a project to be 'nameless' and 'free of ego' as it kind of negates the whole thing.If there are questions about who contributed what then surely only the parts which Adi contributed should appear, minus all the input from other musicians and artists, then see how it sounds. I can imagine Adi put most of the conceptual stuff there but why not just stay a painter or become a writer?In all my years as a music writer I have never come across such a bizzare and messed up scenario, not even with psychic TV ( where I believe there is now a page dedicated to exposing GPO). Seems to me the ex-members are wisely keeping their cards close to their chests on this one as far too much of the mystique surrounding dva has been stripped away. I hear that Adi is no longer with Mrs.Jane Newton and we can now hoipe that things will start moving in a positive direction without the interference from someone who was trying to hitch a ride. Good luck to you all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-64013097332153040112011-09-18T20:22:45.497+01:002011-09-18T20:22:45.497+01:00If not then I do work within the civil legal sys...If not then I do work within the civil legal system and can help anyone who's windows or 'glazzies' were less than 'clear' and not polaroid.Robert E bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07590299938397522812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-6866294962749461582011-09-14T06:19:51.960+01:002011-09-14T06:19:51.960+01:00FYI:
i. Shadowrangler Robert E Baker has just ha...FYI:<br /> <br />i. Shadowrangler Robert E Baker has just had some new windows put in his Sheffield flat.<br /> <br />ii Shadowrangler Robert E Baker's old windows recently appeared on ebay.<br /><br /> <br /><br />iii Shadowrangler Robert E Baker plays pianola in a travelling band of Aleksandr Sokurov-inspired Russian window-fitters. <br /><br /> <br />iv Rod Modell of Detroit's Echospace Records not only takes the name of one of his many dubbed-out side projects (Global Systems Silently Moving) from the lyrics to Clock DVA's "The Hacker", he was also the first to bid on Shadwrangler Robert E Baker's old windows on ebay recently. He was also the last to bid and is currently constructing a studio-come-greenhouse for the further cultivation of the dub virus. <br /><br /> <br /><br />v Shadowrangler Robert E Baker is in negotiations to lend his name to a range of functional but fashionable underwear very much in the way that Throbbing Gristle did following the sudden departure of Genesis Breyer P Orridge and the initiation of the X-TG project: http://www.xtg.es/en/?seccion=tienda_virtual&tipo=5&coleccion=14<br /> <br />vi Shadowrangler Robert E Baker also has a little biscuit tin that he keeps your panties in.<br /><br /> <br /><br />vii Shadowrangler Robert E Baker has no reason to believe that his erstwhile associate Adi Neutron, or Mr Neutron's erstwhile associate Jane Radiation, are anything less than a hundred per cent happy with their own windows.<br /><br />FYIthrrobbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05152967413256984553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-717447803594505142011-09-04T00:38:07.396+01:002011-09-04T00:38:07.396+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Robert E bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07590299938397522812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-79345541513552141002011-09-04T00:37:07.684+01:002011-09-04T00:37:07.684+01:00Everyone has made mistake's in their live'...Everyone has made mistake's in their live's!!!??? If not then go pray with the undead!<br /><br /><br />Anyone seen thebeauty of Rosemarie's Baby'(s) then contact me soon ;-).Robert E bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07590299938397522812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-59363223719398485612011-08-30T06:05:58.864+01:002011-08-30T06:05:58.864+01:00If anyone wishes to know my actual response to any...If anyone wishes to know my actual response to any of the above........you now know where to contact me. The internetz is powerful, so use carefully! ;-)Robert E bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07590299938397522812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-3372773240058729202011-08-30T03:03:59.717+01:002011-08-30T03:03:59.717+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Robert E bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07590299938397522812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-20830029587987292672011-08-30T00:29:48.477+01:002011-08-30T00:29:48.477+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Robert E bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07590299938397522812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-32169317302121695972011-08-30T00:24:38.243+01:002011-08-30T00:24:38.243+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Robert E bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07590299938397522812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-36258433329803033262011-08-30T00:22:54.131+01:002011-08-30T00:22:54.131+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Robert E bakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07590299938397522812noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-71179660232150053392010-02-20T18:03:18.649+00:002010-02-20T18:03:18.649+00:00Maurizio Fasolo did do some engineering, digital e...Maurizio Fasolo did do some engineering, digital editing, mastering etc for CLOCK DVA. If you check the liner notes of CLOCK DVA and TAGC releases you will sometimes see his name mentioned. I guess he was involved when Adi was living in Italy, which is where PANKOW was from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-38285278886822722342010-02-17T20:33:20.059+00:002010-02-17T20:33:20.059+00:00RE.
Adi didn't do Iso Erotic Calibrations alon...RE.<br /><i>Adi didn't do Iso Erotic Calibrations alone.</i><br /><br /> Where did you get your information?<br /><br />Because according to Adi the only contributors were himself & his wife.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-27412075174386289992010-02-15T17:01:49.731+00:002010-02-15T17:01:49.731+00:00@MadHatter
Adi didn't do Iso Erotic Calibrati...@MadHatter<br /><br />Adi didn't do Iso Erotic Calibrations alone. Robert Baker helped out on the title track and Maurizio Fasolo from the band Pankow helped out on all the other tracks on that release.<br /><br />I'm looking forward to any new releases from Adi, he's an interesting guy with some original ideas. I just wish he would hurry up!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-90539231329992151392010-02-05T23:18:49.940+00:002010-02-05T23:18:49.940+00:00Seems unlikely the back catalogue will ever be rel...Seems unlikely the back catalogue will ever be released now that EMI are in even more financial trouble :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-29328278934993406642010-02-04T10:56:13.336+00:002010-02-04T10:56:13.336+00:00Yes, it seems likely that it will take a while lon...Yes, it seems likely that it will take a while longer - if it ever happens. It's been a long time since they announced these new records, but after that - nothing but silence...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-52871652090107794542010-01-07T09:37:41.326+00:002010-01-07T09:37:41.326+00:00The so far latest official T.A.G.C. releases that ...The so far latest official T.A.G.C. releases that Adi made alone in the mid 90s were excellent, I mean the Iso Erotic Calibrations album and the tracks on the Deepnet compilation album. <br /><br />I don't know what to make of youtube excerpts, I'd rather see an official release of some sort to really judge the quality of their current work. <br /><br />If it's ever going to happen, that is. It's 2010 already...........!MadHatternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-64125488807187362512009-11-22T23:56:45.553+00:002009-11-22T23:56:45.553+00:00And the latest TAGC material would indicate ego is...And the latest TAGC material would indicate ego is pretty much all he has left. <br /><br /><br />The Fissure<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KplAO3hOxW<br /><br />Doesn't appear to be much ability to make creative or artistic judgements.<br /><br />" Jane has an innate talent for music production and video, I am constantly amazed by her. "<br /><br />I too am amazed. But for all the wrong reasons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-88274250095775395652009-11-16T11:08:42.699+00:002009-11-16T11:08:42.699+00:00I find it difficult to understand that he (Adi) do...I find it difficult to understand that he (Adi) does not realise how important the other members of DVA/TAGC have been and still are. To celebrate and appreciate that he has been able to work with such talented people. Each piece of art whether it music or visual has been a callaboration and not something that he has created himself. His ego has all but consumed him. <br />From Butterfly xAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-21454922702825098792009-11-15T17:16:40.376+00:002009-11-15T17:16:40.376+00:00I particularly found his so called public apology ...I particularly found his so called public apology ....... quite sickening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3317690820025492357.post-80797536943999398022009-11-05T14:48:32.350+00:002009-11-05T14:48:32.350+00:00@ Simon Blackadder
Adi is indeed an unfortunate e...@ Simon Blackadder <br />Adi is indeed an unfortunate example of extreme egotism and his years of study seem to have done little to help him overcome this.<br /><br />In actual fact the entire interview is much longer than this. <br /><br />The interview had the makings of an interesting article and presented an opportunity to rekindle interest. It is unfortunate that Adi could not exercise some self-control, reign back his overblown ego and resist the temptation to use this as yet another vehicle to make further attacks upon ex members. <br /><br />The constant belittling of others contributions and hate mongering does nothing for me. I am not sure what the Newton’s expect to get out of it.<br /><br />What exactly have ex members done to deserve such vilification?<br /><br />When I read the word “despicable” I expect it to refer to something that is completely reprehensible. IMHO the Buried Dreams release and Psychoegoautocratical Auditory Physiogomy Delineated release are no more despicable than Adi’s release of the Collective or his previous attempts at releasing the back catalogue. <br /><br />When ex members are accused of other specific “despicable” acts the accusations are totally bizarre. <br /><br />For example the myspace blogs that scream about an ex member copying Clock DVA because of their inclusion of Ouspensky and Gurdjieff amongst myspace friends. This must be in the top ten of the most ridiculous and also most disappointing things I have ever read. <br /><br />They make such a HUGE deal of this: writing no less than 3 blogs and perhaps a 4th - in which they hurl personal abuse at the individual. It makes me think that the other despicable acts are of a similar unsubstantial nature. <br /><br />What well-balanced adult deliberately sets out on a public hate campaign against those whose co-operation he admits he requires? <br /><br />I only hope that this hate campaign fails & also that the ex members do not let it affect their work or any decisions they make regarding the release of the back catalogue.<br /><br />I await the day when the Newton’s claim that all these imbecilic blogs, messages and accusations were not made by themselves but were in fact part of a conspiracy by envious ex members seeking to ruin their reputations & sabotage their work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com